Brian chats with Carl Richards, CFP and creator of the Sketch Guy column in the New York Times. Carl shares how he became an accidental artist by using a Sharpie to help a client understand a complex idea with a simple sketch. He also tells how he landed his famous column by saying yes to an opportunity and figuring out the rest later.
On the episode, you’ll hear Carl’s driving concept of groundlessness and why he believes profit equals permission for entrepreneurs. He also shares the importance of more people doing “their thing” in the world — and how he’s following suit by doing more of what he loves.
Episode Highlights
Mission-driven businesses forcibly insert opinions.
For Carl, a mission-driven business goes beyond making widgets for the sake of making widgets. Mission-driven businesses are tools to forcibly insert opinions into the world — a metaphor he heard from someone else years ago and latched onto.
“What I’m interested in is how I can use the business as a tool to forcibly insert an opinion into the world, and I think that another word for that opinion could be mission,” he said.
Profit equals permission.
Beyond thinking of businesses as opinions, Carl also likes to think of them as art projects, in which businesses can be used to influence what exists in the world. In his case, Carl is always looking for his next art project, and he’s recently realized that his prime goal in business is to get permission to do the next project. And that permission shows up on an income statement as profit.
“All I want is enough profit to do the next art project,” Carl said. “That’s the goal. The goal of the current project is to earn permission to do the next.”
Aim for groundlessness.
Carl’s business operates using a set of principles called the code, one of which is called groundlessness. He named the concept after hearing Buddhist teacher Pema Chödrön describe trying to tie up all the loose ends but still the ground is shifting.
“I’m only interested in questions I don’t know the answers to,” Carl said. “I’m only interested in the path that there is no path. Because if not, it’s not me.”
For Carl, the concept of groundlessness has come to mean that if he does have ground beneath his feet, it’s not the kind of work he should be doing. Instead, he’s interested in what he calls the most intimate form of risk.
“You’re literally saying to someone, ‘Here’s a piece of me. Judge it through your dollars,’” Carl said. “That’s a very intimate form of risk, and to me, it’s the only form of risk I’m interested in because it means we’re doing the thing we were put here to do.”
Get clear about what you love to do.
Carl’s unique and zest-filled approach to business means he has no plan to retire — at least in the conventional sense. He plans to keep working, while being more diligent in the projects he takes on and delegating or deleting everything that he doesn’t love.
His approach to “retirement” came a few years ago when his teenage son asked what things he would stop doing when he retired. When Carl listed a few things, his son then asked if he would be more or less successful if he stopped doing those things today. The answer was yes.
“He goes, ‘I don’t mean to be silly here, but why are you still doing those things today?’” Carl recounted. “So I’ve been on this kick of asking how I can get more and more clear about what I want to do.”
Resources + Links
- Carl’s weekly New York Times column
- Carl’s Books: The One-Page Financial Plan: A Simple Way to Be Smart About Your Money and The Behavior Gap: Simple Ways to Stop Doing Things with Money
- Living Beautifully with Uncertainty and Change by Pema Chödrön
- Carl’s Social Media: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn
- Brian’s Social Media: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook
About Brian and the Mission Driven Business Podcast
Brian Thompson, JD/CFP, is a tax attorney and certified financial planner who specializes in providing comprehensive financial planning to LGBTQ+ entrepreneurs who run mission-driven businesses. The Mission Driven Business podcast was born out of his passion for helping social entrepreneurs create businesses with purpose and profit.
On the podcast, Brian talks with diverse entrepreneurs and the people who support them. Listeners hear stories of experiences, strength, and hope and get practical advice to help them build businesses that might just change the world, too.